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A HORRIFYING REPORT FROM IRAN, NOBEL PEACE PRIZE WINNER SAYS SHE'S BEING BEATEN BEHIND BARS.

>>> THEN -- >> GREENLAND IS VERY IMPORTANT TO THE SECURITY OF THE UNITED STATES.

>> A TURNING POINT, JOINING ME FROM WASHINGTON.

>>> PLUS -- CUTTING THROUGH ROCKS, THE OSCAR NOMINATED DOCUMENTARY ON THE FIRST WOMAN EVER ELECTED TO LOCAL OFFICE IN HER REGION OF IRAN AND THE FIERCE BACKLASH THAT FOLLOWED.

>>> PLUS -- >> THIS IS A HIGH IMPACT WAY TO SEND A MESSAGE AND MIGHT SAVE MONEY ON THE WAY.

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>>> WELCOME TO THE PROGRAM, EVERYONE, I'M CHRISTIANE AMANPOUR IN LONDON.

47 YEARS AGO TODAY IRAN WAS DECLARED A REPUBLIC AFTER TOPPLING THE SHAH.

NOW IT'S IN ITS FIERCEST FIGHT YET FOR ITS SURVIVOR.

ITS SUPPORTERS WERE OUT TODAY, WAVING FLAGS FOR THE SUPREME LEADER, A FAR CRY FROM LAST MONTH, WHEN HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF IRANIANS ROSE UP IN PROTEST DEMANDING CHANGE BEFORE AUTHORITIES BRUTALLY CRACKED DOWN.

THE GOVERNMENT ITSELF ADMITS TO 3,000 DEATHS, BUT THE REAL NUMBER COULD BE IN THE TENS OF THOUSANDS.

TODAY, APOLOGIZED FOR SOME OF THE FAULTS, NOT FOR THE KILLING.

>> Translator: AS THE HEAD OF THE GOVERNMENT, I APOLOGIZE TO THE NOBLE PEOPLE FOR THE SHORTCOMINGS THAT EXIST.

DESPITE THIS, WE IN THE GOVERNMENT ARE MAKING EVERY EFFORT TO RESOLVE ALL THESE PROBLEMS.

AND BY GOD'S POWER AND UNDER THE WISE LEADERSHIP OF THE SUPREME LEADER, WE WILL DO SO.

>> OF COURSE THE SUPREME LEADER AND HIS REVOLUTIONARY GUARD WIELD THE REAL POWER AND THE CRACKDOWN CONTINUES.

TENS OF THOUSANDS OF IRANIANS HAVE BEEN ARRESTED, EVEN DOCTORS WHO TREATED THE WOUNDED.

THE MESSAGE -- DO NOT DO THIS AGAIN.

THE VIOLENCE CONTINUES INSIDE THE PRISONS.

NOBEL PRIZE WINNER HAS BEEN ASSAULTED.

CREDIBLE REPORTS OF ARREST, PHYSICAL ABUSE AND ONGOING TREATMENT.

IT ADDS IT'S HORRIFIED BY THE ACTS AND REITERATES HER IMPRISONMENT IS UNJUST.

THE HEAD OF THE COMMITTEE IS JOINING US FROM OSLO.

WELCOME TO THE PROGRAM.

YOU USED PARTICULARLY STRONG LANGUAGE, "HORRIFIED," AND YOU'VE DESCRIBED UNTENABLE VIOLENCE SHE'S UNDERGOING.

CAN YOU TELL US WHAT YOU KNOW AND WHAT YOU'VE DISCOVERED?

>> THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME, THE REPORTS FOR THE LAUREATE ARE HORRIFYING.

THE CREDIBLE REPORT IS ABOUT BEING BEATEN REPEATEDLY WITH WOODEN STICKS AND BATONS, BEING DRAGGED ACROSS THE GROUND, PARTS OF HER SKULL BEING TEARED OUT OF HER HEAD, CAUSING OPEN WOUNDS.

REPEATEDLY KICKED IN THE PELVIS AND GENITALS, LEAVING HER UNABLE TO SIT, TO LIVE NORMALLY, WITH SEVERE PAIN.

AT THE SAME TIME, THE TACTICS HAVE CONTINUED.

AND SHE CONTINUES TO BE DENIED SUSTAINED MEDICAL ASSISTANCE.

THIS IS CRUEL AND INHUMANE TREATMENT, BLATANTLY AGAINST HUMAN RIGHTS LAWS.

>> WE'VE RECEIVED A STATEMENT FROM HER HUSBAND, A POLITICAL ACTIVIST OUTSIDE OF IRAN, AND HE HAS WRITTEN THAT NARGES MOHAMEDI HAS DONE NOTHING BUT VOCATE FOR JUSTICE AND HUMAN DIGNITY.

THIS IS CRUEL, UNLAWFUL AND INDEFENSIBLE.

YOU'RE SAYING SOME OF THE SAME THINGS, BUT YOUR REACTION TO HER HUSBAND -- HER CHILDREN HAD TO ACCEPT THE NOBEL BECAUSE SHE COULDN'T COME OUT OF IRAN LAST YEAR.

WHAT DO YOU THINK OF WHAT HE SAID?

>> WE TOTALLY AGREE, THIS IS INHUMANE TREATMENT, BEEN GOING ON A LONG TIME.

BUT AS ALL OTHER INTERNATIONAL OBSERVERS, WE HAVE OBSERVED THE UNLAWFUL MASS KILLINGS ALSO IN LAST COUPLE OF WEEKS.

WE SEE THIS BRUTAL REPRESSION THAT FOLLOWED THE MASS PROTESTS AS ANOTHER GRIM EXAMPLE OF REPRESSION FROM THE REGIME.

AND THE TREATMENT OFMOHAMMADI IS BEING INCREASED.

THIS IS WORRISOME AND WE WORRY SHE WILL NOT BE ABLE TO LIVE ANY LONGER.

SHE HAS HEART DISEASE, SHE HAS MEDICAL NEEDS, WHICH IS NOT BEING TAKEN CARE OF.

>> YOU KNOW, TALKING ABOUT HER HEALTH, I INTERVIEWED HER WHEN SHE WAS GIVEN A BRIEF MEDICAL FURLOUGH, AND SHE SPOKE THEN HOW SHE WAS KICKED IN THE CHEST DESPITE KNOWN HEART AND OTHER WEAKNESSES, IT'S IMPORTANT YOU POINT OUT THE GRAVE DANGER SHE'S IN.

AS THE NOBEL COMMITTEE, HAVE YOU SPOKEN TO AND CONVEYED YOUR CONCERN THIS IS HORRIFYING TO THE IRANIAN GOVERNMENT?

WHAT CAN YOU ACTUALLY DO, IF ANYTHING?

>> OF COURSE THAT IS THE MOST IMPORTANT QUESTION.

OF COURSE WE HAVE TO APPEAL TO THE REGIME IN TEHRAN TO UPHOLD INTERNATIONAL LAW AND UPHOLD THEIR -- TO NOT HAVE THE VIOLATION OF THESE LAWS.

BUT ALSO TO APPEAL TO THE INTERNATIONAL COMMUNITY TO PERSIST IN ITS EFFORTS TO ENSURE THAT MS.

MOHAMMADI'S SAFETY IS TAKEN CARE OF AND UPHOLD THE UNIVERSAL PRINCIPLE SHE BRAVELY STANDS FOR.

THIS IS A CALL TO THE REGIME IN IRAN AND THE INTERNATIONAL COMMUNITY TO PUT PRESSURE ON THEM SO HER SAFETY IS TAKEN CARE OF.

>> SHE IS AN INCREDIBLY BRAVE PERSON AND ENDURED A LOT OF PRISON TIME AND THE VIOLENCE YOU'RE RECOUNTING.

WHEN I SPOKE TO HER, SHE SAID DESPITE THE DANGERS, SHE WAS ABSOLUTELY COMMITTED TO KEEPING ON FIGHTING FOR DEMOCRACY.

THIS IS WHAT SHE TOLD ME FROM IRAN.

>> NOT EVEN THE PRISON WALLS AND ALL THE CONVICTIONS CAN EVER STOP ME.

I FEEL THAT ALONGSIDE THE IRANIAN PEOPLE I HAVE TO GO TOWARDS DEMOCRACY AND EQUALITY.

AND I HOPE WE WILL SEE VICTORY.

IT MAY NOT BE AN EASY PATH, BUT I AM DETERMINED IN MY BELIEF BECAUSE OF THE CONDITIONS THAT EXIST IN MY COUNTRY, IRAN.

>> SO THIS IS A VERY, VERY BRAVE CHAMPION FOR HUMAN RIGHTS, SHE'S OBVIOUSLY CONTINUED TO PLAY OUT THE EXACT REASON YOU AWARDED HER THE NOBEL PRIZE.

WHAT DO YOU THINK THIS KIND OF, ACCORDING TO HER CHILDREN, MALTREATMENT OF HER INCREASED AFTER SHE WAS AWARDED THE PRIZE.

WHAT DOES IT SAY TO YOU ABOUT THE PRIZE?

SOMETIMES I KNOW PEOPLE ARE CONCERNED, IF WE SPOTLIGHT PEOPLE IN DANGER, MAYBE IT MAKES THINGS WORSE.

ON THE OTHER HAND IT ALSO GIVES THEM A PLATFORM I SUPPOSE AND INTERNATIONAL RECOGNITION.

>> YOU'RE CORRECTLY -- THAT IS ALWAYS A VERY DIFFICULT PART OF THE DECISION MAKING FOR WHO SHOULD BE THE RECIPIENT OF THE NOBEL PEACE PRIZE, BECAUSE YES, IT CAN BOTH PROTECT YOU AND ALSO HIGHLIGHT THE DANGERS.

FOR MS.

MOHAMMADI, SHE'S BEEN A STEADFAST HUMAN RIGHTS DEFENDER FOR MANY YEARS, TAKEN THE RISKS MANY YEARS BEFORE BEING AWARDED THE NOBEL PEACE PRIZE BUT SHE CONTINUES TO STAND FOR WHAT SHE BELIEVES IN.

WOMEN, LIFE, FREEDOM, DEMOCRACY FOR THE PEOPLE OF IRAN.

WE'RE SEEING NOW HOW COUNTLESS WOMEN AND MEN HAVE RISKED THEIR LIVES TO DEMAND THE SAME THINGS -- FREEDOM, EQUALITY, BASIC HUMAN RIGHTS -- IN IRAN FOR A LONG TIME.

NOT LEAST THE LAST COUPLE OF WEEKS.

AND THE REACTION FROM THE REGIME HAS BEEN BRUTAL.

>> AS YOU WERE SPEAKING, WE WERE SEEING IMAGES OF THE NOBEL CEREMONY SHE WAS AWARDED, AND HER CHILDREN ACCEPTED IT FOR HER.

I SPOKE TO HER DAUGHTER AFTER AND THIS IS WHAT SHE TOLD ME.

[ SPEAKING IN A GLOBAL LANGUAGE ] >> Translator: THE LAST TIME I SAW MY MOTHER I WAS 9 YEARS OLD, 2015.

THAT WAS THE LAST TIME I SAW HER.

SO IT HAS BEEN ABOUT EIGHT YEARS I'VE NOT PHYSICALLY BEEN IN HER PRESENCE, AND IT'S BEEN TWO YEARS SINCE I LAST HEARD ANYTHING FROM HER.

PHONE CALLS HAVE BEEN ABSOLUTELY BLOCKED, OFFICIALLY, FOR QUITE A WHILE.

THEY KEEP ADDING EXTRA MONTHS OF SENTENCE, AS YOU SAY.

AFTER SHE RECEIVED THE NOBEL PEACE PRIZE.

BECAUSE THE GOVERNMENT NOW SEES HER AS EVEN MORE OF A THREAT.

THEY'RE FINDING NEW WAYS TO SILENCE HER AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE AND TO ISOLATE HER FROM ALL CONTACT WITH THE OUTSIDE WORLD.

>> SO THAT WAS EVEN BEFORE WHAT'S HAPPENED TO HER RIGHT NOW.

CAN I JUST ASK YOU, HOW DID YOU GET WORD OF HER CURRENT CONDITION AND THE VIOLENCE THAT'S BEING METED OUT TO HER IN PRISON?

>> OF COURSE WE DO HAVE CLOSE CONTACT WITH THE FAMILY.

IT'S IMPORTANT ALSO TO SAY THAT WE NEED TO SUPPORT HER CHILDREN, WHICH WERE IN OSLO TO RECEIVE THE PRIZE ON HER BEHALF.

THESE ARE FROM CREDIBLE REPORTS WITHIN IRAN.

OF COURSE I CANNOT SAY WHO THEY ARE BECAUSE OF THEIR SAFETY, BUT WE ARE RECEIVING CREDIBLE REPORTS ABOUT THIS BRUTAL ARREST, THE PHYSICAL ABUSE, AND ABOUT THE ONGOING SITUATION OF MS.

MOHAMMADI.

>> FINALLY, PRESIDENT TRUMP IS CONSTANTLY TALKING ABOUT HOW HE SHOULD BE AWARDED THE NOBEL PRIZE.

I'M OBVIOUSLY NOT GOING TO ASK YOU ABOUT THAT.

BUT HE'S CURRENTLY HAVING TALKS IN WASHINGTON WITH THE ISRAELI PRIME MINISTER, MANY THINK IT'S ABOUT WHAT TO DO, MAYBE A STRIKE ON IRAN.

BUT YOU HAVE SAID THE INTERNATIONAL COMMUNITY SHOULD UPHOLD AND PUT AS A CENTRAL PLANK HUMAN RIGHTS.

IN 47 YEARS OF THIS REPUBLIC ALL THEY'VE TALKED ABOUT IS NUCLEAR, TERRORISM AND THIS, IS THAT A BIG DEFICIENCY IN THE POLICY TOWARDS IRAN?

>> OUR ROLE IS NOT TO TALK ABOUT WHAT THE POLICY OF DIFFERENT COUNTRIES SHOULD BE.

HOWEVER, WE APPEAL TO THE INTERNATIONAL COMMUNITY, WHOEVER ARE IN CONTACT WITH THE IRANIAN REGIME, THAT THEY SHOULD UPHOLD THE RULE OF LAW, SHOULD UPHOLD THE SAFETY OF PROTESTERS.

AND FIRST AND FOREMOST FOR THIS CASE, THE SAFETY AND WELL-BEING OF OUR NOBEL PEACE PRIZE LAUREATE, NARGES MOHAMMADI.

SO TO TALK ABOUT THIS IS NECESSARY AND TO DEMAND THE UNCONDITIONAL RELEASE SHOULD ALSO BE PART OF THE DISCUSSIONS.

>> HEAD OF THE NOBEL COMMUNITY, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR PUTTING THIS IMPORTANT ISSUE FRONT AND CENTER AND ALERTING THE WORLD.

OF COURSE WE'RE REACHING OUT TO THE IRANIAN GOVERNMENT FOR A RESPONSE TO THESE ALLEGATIONS.

>>> DEMOLITION MAN, WHAT THEY'RE CALLING PRESIDENT TRUMP.

IN THE REPORT AHEAD OF THE CONFERENCE, THE AUTHORS SAY WE'RE IN AN ERA WRECKING BALL POLICY WITH THE U.S.

INTERNATIONAL ORDER UNDER CONSTRUCTION.

LET'S BRING YOU IN.

WELCOME TO THE PROGRAM.

IN WASHINGTON, ABOUT TO GO TO MUNICH.

DOES THAT LANGUAGE STRIKE YOU AS PRETTY CORRECT?

DESTRUCTION, WRECKING BALL POLITICS, DEMOLITION MAN?

>> YEAH.

I THINK IT'S CORRECT DESCRIPTION OF THE CURRENT STATE OF AFFAIRS.

I'M VERY MUCH CONCERNED ABOUT THE THREAT TOWARDS TRANSATLANTIC ALLIANCE.

MY CONCLUSION IS CLEAR, EUROPE MUST STEP UP TO THE PLATE.

WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO STAND ON OUR OWN FEET IN EUROPE.

>> HOW?

CAN YOU TELL ME?

BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT TRUMP'S ALLIES SAY, LOOK, WE'RE JUST STATING THE OBVIOUS, THAT EUROPE ACTUALLY NEEDS TO PAY MORE, DO MORE AFTER THESE 80 YEARS FOR ITS OWN SECURITY AND DEFENSE AND PROSPERITY.

>> IT'S ACROSS THE BOARD.

I FULLY AGREE WITH FRENCH PRESIDENT MACRON WHO STATED THAT EUROPE IS IN A STATE OF SECURITY EMERGENCY.

THAT'S ACTUALLY VERY PRECISE DESCRIPTION OF THE CURRENT SITUATION.

WE HAVE TO SHIFT GEAR.

EUROPE MUST BE A SUPERPOWER MILITARILY, ECONOMICALLY, POLITICALLY, IF WE ARE TO BE TAKEN SERIOUSLY.

IN WASHINGTON, IN MOSCOW, AND IN CHINA.

>> UH-OH, YOU WERE DANISH PRIME MINISTER, ALSO HEAD OF NATO, TRANSATLANTIC MILITARY DEFENSE ALLIANCE.

I REMEMBER EVERY TIME MOSTLY FRENCH OR GERMAN PRESIDENTS USED TO TALK ABOUT A EUROPEAN ARMY, THE UNITED STATES USED TO SAY NO, NO, WE DON'T NEED THAT.

IS THERE A LITTLE BIT OF A NOW THEY SAY WE DO NEED IT AND PERHAPS EUROPE ISN'T AS PREPARED AS IT SHOULD BE?

>> I THINK WE NEED TO STRENGTHEN THE EUROPEAN PILLAR WITHIN NATO.

I DO BELIEVE THAT NATO WILL REMAIN THE CORNERSTONE OF EUROPEAN AND NORTH ATLANTIC SECURITY.

BUT WITHIN NATO WE SHOULD STRENGTHEN THE EUROPEAN PILLAR, CENTERED AROUND A COALITION OF THE WILLING.

A NUMBER OF EUROPEAN COUNTRIES CAPABLE AND WILLING TO DO WHAT IS NEEDED TO DEFEND OURSELVES IN EUROPE.

>> IS THAT BECAUSE YOU DON'T THINK THE UNITED STATES -- I THINK YOU JUST SAID YOU THINK IT WILL STAY IN NATO, NOT GOING TO PULL OUT, BUT THERE SEEMS TO BE A RIFT, A LACK OF TRUST NOW, PARTICULARLY THE GREENLAND EPISODE HAS CONCENTRATED A LOT OF MINDS.

LET ME QUOTE THIS FROM THE MSC REPORT.

IRONICALLY THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES, THE COUNTRY THAT DID MORE THAN ANY OTHER TO SHAPE THE POST 1945 INTERNATIONAL ORDER IS NOW THE MOST PROMINENT OF THE DEMOLITION MEN.

AS A RESULT, MORE THAN 80 YEARS AFTER CONSTRUCTION BEGAN, THE POST WAR INTERNATIONAL ORDER IS NOW UNDER DESTRUCTION.

THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES IS VERY POWERFUL, A POWERFUL COUNTRY AND MILITARY AND IS ABLE TO ESSENTIALLY HAVE HIS WAY.

HOW DO YOU COME TO A SORT OF MEETING OF THE MINDS?

BECAUSE IT'S NOT JUST ABOUT, YOU KNOW, PAYING MORE FOR YOUR DEFENSE.

HE'S INTERFERING IN EUROPEAN POLITICS, HE'S USING TRADE AS A PUNITIVE AND TARIFFS AS A PUNITIVE WEAPON.

HOW DO YOU DEAL WITH THIS KIND OF PRESIDENT?

>> I THINK TIME HAS COME TO STAND UP AGAINST PRESIDENT TRUMP.

THERE ARE LIMITATIONS TO HIS ROOM TO MANEUVER.

I MET MEMBERS OF CONGRESS AND I SEE THERE IS A STRONG BIPARTISAN SUPPORT FOR NATO, FOR THE TRANSATLANTIC ALLIANCE.

THERE'S A STRONG BIPARTISAN OPPOSITION TO ATTACKING GREENLAND.

IN THE AMERICAN PEOPLE, ONLY A SMALL MINORITY SUPPORTS THAT AGGRESSIVE ACTION.

AND WHEN PRESIDENT TRUMP THREATENED TO IMPOSE EXTRA TARIFFS ON EUROPEAN COUNTRIES THAT DID NOT SUPPORT HIS REQUEST TO REQUIRE GREENLAND, EUROPEANS DECIDED WE'RE FED UP WITH THAT BEHAVIOR, WE'LL UNITE, AND THEY DELIVERED A COLLECTIVE RESPONSE TO TRUMP.

SO THERE ARE LIMITATIONS TO HIS POWER.

TIME FOR FLATTERING IS OVER.

>> I WAS GOING TO ASK YOU THAT.

THIS WHOLE LAST YEAR HAS BEEN FLATTERING, APPEASEMENT, JOLLY HIM ALONG TO NOT PUT EVEN MORE TARIFFS ON THEM.

DO YOU THINK GREENLAND ISSUE WAS A MAJOR TURNING POINT THAT WILL STICK, A RED LINE THEY RECOGNIZED AND REALIZED THEY HAVE TO STAND UP, OTHER-WISE THEY'RE GOING TO GET ROLLED?

>> EXACTLY, I THINK GREENLAND WAS A TURNING POINT.

ONE THING IS THE EUROPEANS DECIDED TO STAND UP AGAINST TRUMP.

BUT ALSO ON THE U.S.

SIDE, REASONABLE VOICES TOLD THE PRESIDENT THAT IT WOULD BE CRAZY POLITICS TO MILITARILY ATTACK A NATO ALLY.

THERE WOULD BE NO SUPPORT IN CONGRESS, NO SUPPORT IN THE AMERICAN PEOPLE.

I THINK EVEN IN THE AMERICAN MILITARY THERE WERE DOUBTS THAT WOULD BE A LEGAL ORDER.

SO IT WAS A TURNING POINT.

PREVIOUSLY, PRESIDENT XI JINPING ALSO DEMONSTRATED THAT TO STAND UP AGAINST TRUMP PAYS.

THE ONLY THING TRUMP RESPECTS IS POWER AND A FIRM STANCE.

>> I -- LET ME FIRST ASK ABOUT UKRAINE.

ONE OF THE IFS OF THIS YEAR HAS BEEN DONALD TRUMP TREATING FOR THE MOST PART THE PRESIDENT OF UKRAINE AS THE ADVERSARY AND THE PRESIDENT OF RUSSIA AS SOMEHOW THE ALLY.

I REALIZE THERE ARE NEGOTIATIONS AND THINGS GOING ON RIGHT NOW.

YOU'RE IN WASHINGTON, DO YOU SEE ANY BREAKTHROUGH WE MIGHT WANT TO KNOW ABOUT?

AS YOU KNOW, PRESIDENT ZELENSKYY ACCORDING TO FT HAS SAID HE'S WILLING TO HAVE ELECTIONS AND REFERENDUM ON ANY PEACE DEAL ONCE IT'S AGREED.

>> I THINK PRESIDENT ZELENSKYY HAS DEMONSTRATED A CLEAR WILLINGNESS TO MOVE TO GET A PEACE DEAL OR CEASEFIRE, AND I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY THE AMERICAN ADMINISTRATION CONTINUES TO PUT MORE PRESSURE ON ZELENSKYY THAN ON PRESIDENT PUTIN.

I HAVE DISCUSSED THAT ISSUE WHILE I'VE BEEN IN WASHINGTON, AS AN EXAMPLE, THERE IS A PROPOSAL IN CONGRESS, A BIPARTISAN BILL TO IMPOSE STRONG SANCTIONS ON RUSSIA, BUT THAT BILL HASN'T MOVED FORWARD.

AND I FIND IT QUITE DISAPPOINTING AND EMBARRASSING THAT WE ARE NOT ABLE TO PUT MORE PRESSURE ON PUTIN.

THE FACT IS, PUTIN HAS NO INCENTIVE TO ENGAGE IN CONSTRUCTIVE PEACE NEGOTIATIONS AS LONG AS HE BELIEVES HE CAN WIN ON THE BATTLEFIELD.

WE HAVE TO CHANGE HIS CALCULUS BY PUTTING MORE PRESSURE ON HIM ECONOMICALLY AND MILITARILY.

>> SO LET ME ASK YOU, THERE'S BEEN WORD SOME EUROPEAN LEADERS ARE TALKING ABOUT DIRECT ENGAGEMENT WITH PUTIN AGAIN BECAUSE THEY DON'T WANT TO BE CUT OUT OF NEGOTIATIONS HAPPENING PURELY WITH THE UNITED STATES AND RUSSIA.

DO YOU THINK THAT'S A GOOD IDEA?

IF EUROPE DID ENGAGE, COULD THAT UP THE PRESSURE?

>> WELL, OF COURSE, IT'S ALWAYS REASONABLE TO TALK WITH PEOPLE.

BUT I HAVE NOTED THAT THE KREMLIN HAS REFUSED TO ACCEPT THE STATIONING OF TROOPS FROM NATO COUNTRIES ON UKRAINIAN SOIL.

IT'S FOR RUSSIA TO DEAL WITH THAT -- WE DECIDE OURSELVES IF WE WANT TO DEPLOY TROOPS IN UKRAINE.

IF RUSSIA DOESN'T ACCEPT WE CAN DEPLOY TROOPS IN UKRAINE IF WE SO WISH, THEN I DON'T SEE ANY REASON TO HAVE TALKS WITH RUSSIA.

>> AND FINALLY, YOU'RE IN WASHINGTON, THE PRIME MINISTER OF ISRAEL, BIBI NETANYAHU IS MEETING WITH PRESIDENT TRUMP, THE WORD IS THEY'RE TALKING MOSTLY ABOUT IRAN.

I WONDER WHAT YOU THINK.

CERTAINLY MANY REGIONAL ALLIES HAVE BEEN TELLING PRESIDENT TRUMP THEY CAN'T AFFORD ANOTHER WAR IN THAT REGION.

WHAT DO YOU THINK IS ON THE HORIZON?

>> FIRST OF ALL, LET ME SAY, I REALLY ADMIRE THE IRANIAN WOME AND ALL IRANIANS THAT ARE PROTESTING AGAINST THE CURRENT REGIME IN TEHRAN.

AND SECOND, I HOPE THAT PRESIDENT TRUMP'S STRATEGY TO PUT MILITARY PRESSURE ACTUALLY ON THE REGIME IN TEHRAN WHILE AT THE SAME TIME TRYING TO MOVE FORWARD ON NEGOTIATIONS WILL MATERIALIZE NOT ONLY IN A NUCLEAR DEAL WITH IRAN BUT ALSO A BROADER DEAL TO CUT IRANIAN FINANCING OF THE PROXIES, THE HUTUS, HEZBOLLAH, HAMAS, ET CETERA.

AND FINALLY ALSO TO PUT PRESSURE ON THE IRANIAN REGIME TO RESPECT HUMAN RIGHTS.

>> MR.

RASMUSSEN, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR BEING WITH US.

>>> BACK TO IRAN.

A NEW DOCUMENTARY LAYS BARE THE CHALLENGES FACED BY ORDINARY IRANIAN WOMEN UNDER THE ISLAMIC REGIME, SHOWN BY THE EXPERIENCES OF ONE EXTRAORDINARY PERSON.

"CUTTING THROUGH ROCKS," A MIDWIFE IN IRAN WHO DEFIES RESTRICTIONS ON WOMEN, AND AIMS TO BE THE FIRST FEMALE COUNCILLOR ELECTED IN HER COMMUNITY.

AND BRING ABOUT CHANGE TO THE COMMUNITY.

IT'S ENORMOUS AND POSSIBLY IMPOSSIBLE TASK.

THIS IS THE FIRST IRANIAN DOCUMENTARY TO BE NOMINATED FOR AN OSCAR AND THE DIRECTORS ARE JOINING THE PROGRAM FROM LOS ANGELES.

WELCOME TO THE PROGRAM, IT'S A WONDERFUL DOCUMENTARY AND SHOWS A WHOLE OTHER SIDE OF IRAN AND CHALLENGES OF ORDINARY PEOPLE.

TELL ME WHY YOU DECIDED TO PICK THIS WOMAN IN THAT PART OF THE COUNTRY, WAY TO THE NORTHWEST.

ASK YOU THAT FIRST.

>> THANK YOU, CHRISTIANE, WE'RE SO HAPPY TO BE HERE TO TALK ABOUT THE FILM, THE STORY STARTED WITH HER.

>> I SHOULD HAVE ASKED HER FIRST.

GO AHEAD.

>> I WAS IN TEHRAN, COMING FROM THE COMMUNITY NORTHWEST OF IRAN AND I HAVE A LOT OF KNOWLEDGE ABOUT THE STORIES HAPPENING IN THE FILM.

BUT FOR ME AS A MALE DIRECTOR TO GO AND MAKE AN INTIMATE FILM ABOUT WOMEN WAS NOT POSSIBLE.

SO I NEEDED SOMEBODY LIKE SARA, SHE CALLED ME AND ASKED TO HELP WITH THIS FILM, CUTTING THROUGH ROCKS.

>> TELL ME ABOUT THE HEART OF THIS WOMAN, TELL ME ABOUT HER AND WHAT HER LIFE WAS, WHAT CHANGE SHE WAS TRYING TO BRING.

>> WHEN I GOT HOLD OF HER THROUGH RESEARCH I WAS FACED WITH A TENACIOUS INDIVIDUAL WHO WAS -- HAD ALREADY DONE SO MUCH IN HER COMMUNITY, BEING A MIDWIFE, DELIVERING 400 KIDS.

THE ONLY FEMALE -- WRITER IN THE NORTHWEST OF IRAN.

SHE TOLD ME SHE WAS THINKING OF RUNNING FOR A COUNCIL SEAT AND THERE WERE A LOT OF OPPONENTS AND SHE WASN'T SURE SHE WOULD BE ELECTED.

BUT THOSE SHE DELIVERED WERE 18-YEAR-OLD VOTERS AND SHE RECEIVED A LOT OF SUPPORT FROM YOUNG MEN AND WOMEN, TEENAGERS, THAT WANTED HER TO BE ELECTED.

>> THAT'S AMAZING.

I HADN'T CLOCKED IT WAS THE KIDS THAT DELIVERED HER.

LET'S SHOW HER CAMPAIGNING AND GETTING A LOT OF SUPPORT FROM THE STREETS.

HERE WE GO.

>> IT'S VERY HEARTWARMING.

BECAUSE SHE DOES GET ELECTED, AND IT IS AMAZING, VERY CELEBRATORY.

BUT THEN GOT PUSH BACK, MAINLY FROM THE MEN WHO MAYBE DIDN'T BELIEVE SHE WOULD BE COUNCILLOR WITH ALL THE RIGHTS AND IMPORTANTLY TO HAVE THE SEAL YOU NEED TO OFFICIATE DOCUMENTS.

TELL ME ABOUT THAT PART AND HOW YOU WERE ABLE TO COVER THAT.

>> THAT'S A VERY GOOD QUESTION.

WHEN WE STARTED WORKING ON THE FILM, WE HAD A LOT OF FOOTAGE FROM THE ELECTION PART, WE HAD SAMPLE REEL, AND SHOWED IT TO OUR COLLEAGUES.

ONE TOLD US, YOU HAVE A STORY HERE, A FILM, A WOMAN FIGHTS AGAINST PATRIARCH WITH SOME OPPONENTS, THEN SHE WINS.

BUT WE DECIDED TO SPEND SIX YEARS MORE ON THIS FILM TO SEE HOW SHE USES THE POWER.

IT WAS REALLY IMPORTANT FOR US TO ACTUALLY SEE HOW SHE CHALLENGES THE TRADITIONS AND HOW THE OTHERS ARE RESPONDING, THE CHANGES SHE'S OFFERING.

FOR US IT WAS REALLY IMPORTANT BECAUSE EVERY DAY WE WAKE UP READING CRAZY NEWS COMING FROM DIFFERENT PARTS OF THE WORLD.

IT WAS REALLY IMPORTANT TO SEE HOW A LEADER USING THE POWER TO EMPOWER OTHERS, NOT CONTROLLING, SUPPRESSING OR TRYING TO DECIDE FOR OTHERS, BUT TRYING TO GIVE THEM SPACE AND CREATING A SAFE SPACE FOR EVERYONE IN HER COMMUNITY.

WE NEED MORE PEOPLE LIKE SARA OR WE NEED TO SUPPORT PEOPLE LIKE SARA, LEADERS LIKE SARA.

>> LET ME ASK YOU, HE TALKED ABOUT WAKING UP READING THINGS GOING ON IN THE WORLD, NOT TO MENTION YOUR OWN COUNTRY, IRAN.

WHERE THE STRUGGLE ON A BROAD STAGE FOR THE KIND OF RIGHTS THAT SARA IS TRYING TO BRING A RURAL VILLAGE IS INTENSE AND IT'S OBVIOUSLY BEEN BLOODILY CRUSHED.

TODAY IS THE 47th ANNIVERSARY SINCE THEY DECLARED THE ISLAMIC REPUBLIC THERE AND I WONDER WHAT YOU'RE THINKING ABOUT YOUR OWN COUNTRY RIGHT NOW.

>> SO OBVIOUSLY THE NEWS WE'VE BEEN RECEIVING AND NOT BEING ABLE TO CONTACT OUR FAMILIES FOR NEARLY A WEEK -- A FEW WEEKS BACK -- WAS EXTREMELY DEVASTATING FOR US AND HAS BEEN FOR THE ENTIRE NATION, I WOULD SAY.

ON THE OTHER SIDE, WHEN WE SEE A TENACIOUS WOMAN LIKE SARA SHAHVERDI, WHO IS BRINGING HOPE AND TRYING TO SHIFT THE CULTURE, LET'S THINK ABOUT HER FOR A MOMENT.

WE HAVE ONE WOMAN, ONLY FEMALE MOTORCYCLE RIDER IN THE NORTHWEST REGION, AND WE FOLLOW HER EIGHT YEARS AND SEE AT THE END OF THE FILM, THERE ARE A LOT OF FEMALE MOTORCYCLE RIDERS ACCOMPANYING HER.

NOW SHE RECENTLY SHARED WITH US AS A WOMAN TO RIDE A MOTORCYCLE IN THIS REGION IS NOT A BIG DEAL ANYMORE.

OF COURSE THERE ARE A LOT OF BACKLASHES ALONG THE WAY, AND WE WITNESSED THAT IN THIS MOVIE, AND SHE ALSO BROUGHT THAT IDEA OF LANDOWNERSHIP, SHARED LANDOWNERSHIP.

WHEN WE SEE THAT, THIS WAS NOT AN EASY JOURNEY FOR HER, BUT WHEN WE SEE SPARKS OF HOPE, THAT KEEPS ME HOPEFUL ABOUT WHAT THE FUTURE CAN BRING.

>> AND SARA -- >> SO SAD -- >> GO AHEAD.

>> AS YOU CAN IMAGINE, WE'RE SO SAD AND UPSET ABOUT WHAT IS HAPPENING IN IRAN.

IT'S HARD TO EXPLAIN WITH WORDS.

THIS WAS -- YOU ASKED ABOUT -- SHARED WITH YOUR AUDIENCE THIS IS THE FIRST IRANIAN DOCUMENTARY FILM NOMINATED.

BUT IT'S HARD FOR US TO CELEBRATE THAT WITH WHAT IS HAPPENING IN IRAN.

ONLY THING THAT GIVES ME HOPE ABOUT THE FUTURE OF OUR COUNTRY IS PEOPLE.

LIKE SARA, OR SARA KHAKI AS A DIRECTOR BEHIND THE CAMERA.

TO HAVE THE ABILITY TO BRING CHANGE TO THE COMMUNITY.

THEY BOTH BELIEVE CHANGE CAN COME FROM THE COMMUNITY ITSELF.

AND THIS IS THE RESULT OF MANY PEOPLE THAT THEY ARE FIGHTING AND THEY ARE SUPPORTING EACH OTHER FOR GOOD CHANGE.

WE'RE HERE NOT AS POLITICIANS BUT STORYTELLERS, WE HAVE THE RESPONSIBILITY TO SHARE THE STORIES, INSPIRE EACH OTHER AND REMIND EACH OTHER THAT CHANGE IS POSSIBLE IN A VERY PEACEFUL WAY.

>> LET ME PLAY ANOTHER CLIP, IT GOES TO THE HEART OF WHAT YOU'RE SAYING ABOUT SARA IN THE FILM, MOTORCYCLE RIDING AND SHE'S TRYING TO PAY IT FORWARD FOR OTHER GIRLS.

SHE'S TEACHING A YOUNG GIRL HOW TO RIDE A MOTORBIKE.

>> I MEAN, IT'S A GREAT SCENE.

THE GIRL HERSELF GETS IN SOME TROUBLE, SARA IS SUMMONED TO COURT AND INTEGRATED ABOUT HER POLICIES AND IDENTITY.

AT ONE POINT THEY EVEN SUGGESTED WHY DON'T YOU GET A SEX CHANGE BECAUSE SHE DOESN'T COME ACROSS AS THE MOST TRADITIONALLY FEMININE PERSON.

SARA KHAKI, HOW DID YOU COVER THOSE SENSITIVE ISSUES AS WELL?

>> LET ME START BY SAYING THAT THE IDEA OF THE WAY IN WHICH WOMEN BODIES BECOME TARGETS AND BATTLEGROUNDS ARE SHARED CONCERNS WORLDWIDE.

I HAVE SPENT HALF OF MY LIFE IN IRAN AND OTHER HALF IN THE UNITED STATES, AND AS A WOMAN OF COLOR AND IMMIGRANT, I SEE THAT HERE IN THE UNITED STATES AS WELL.

AND SO WHEN WE AS WELL AS SARA WERE FACED WITH THIS NEWS, WE WERE EXTREMELY SURPRISED.

AND WE ACTUALLY REALIZED THAT THIS IS REALLY ALSO -- IT'S MORE ABOUT POWER RATHER THAN GENDER.

THEY REALLY WANTED TO SAY THAT BEING A WOMAN AND BEING POWERFUL DON'T GO TOGETHER.

AND IT WAS A FORM OF HUMILIATION, REALLY FINDING A WAY TO STOP HER FROM DOING THE AMAZING WORK SHE'S DOING.

WELL OVER A YEAR.

>> AND IT'S AN AMAZING STORY.

CONGRATULATIONS FOR YOUR OSCAR NOMINATION.

YOU TWO ARE MARRIED, I MISSED THE HEADLINES.

IT WAS INTERESTING TO SEE THE WORK FROM A MARRIED COUPLE.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

>>> PROTEST AND RESISTANCE CAN TAKE MANY FORMS, INCLUDING BY CANCELLING YOUR MONTHLY SUBSCRIPTIONS.

THAT'S THE THINKING BEHIND A NEW CAMPAIGN BY AUTHOR SCOTT GALLOWAY, CALLING ON AMERICANS TO STAND UP TO PRESIDENT TRUMP'S IMMIGRATION POLICIES BY UNSUBSCRIBING FOR COMPANIES THAT SUPPORT HIS IMMIGRATION.

>> SCOTT, WELCOME BACK.

RECENTLY YOU LAUNCHED A CAMPAIGN TO RESIST AND UNSUBSCRIBE.

IN YOUR CALL TO ACTION YOU WRITE, FIRST WE MUST RECOGNIZE THAT THE PRESIDENT IS UNFAZED BY CITIZEN OUTRAGE, COURTS OR MEDIA.

HE RESPONDS TO ONE THING, THE MARKET.

THE MOST POTENT WEAPON IS A TARGETED, MONTH LONG STRIKE, COORDINATED CAMPAIGN THAT AFFECTS TECH COMPANIES ENABLING I.C.E.

TO EXERT MAXIMUM DAMAGE.

PEOPLE LISTENING TO THIS WILL SAY HAVEN'T THE PROTESTERS HAD AN EFFECT?

WHAT DOES THIS DO?

>> THAT'S THE OPERATIVE TERM, IN ADDITION.

PROTESTS ARE INSPIRING, FEELS GOOD TO DO SOMETHING WITH OTHER PEOPLE.

LABOR STRIKES ARE POWERFUL, GETTING PEOPLE REGISTERED TO VOTE, MEDIA COVERAGE LIKE YOU'RE DOING IS IMPORTANT.

BUT IF YOU LOOK SPECIFICALLY WHERE THE PRESIDENT HAS WALKED BACK PLANS TO ANNEX GREENLAND OR TARIFFS CRISPLY IT'S WHEN EITHER THE BOND MARKET OR THE STOCK MARKET FALLS.

WHAT I LIKE TO THINK WE'RE ZEROED IN ON, THE SOFT TISSUE OF THE MARKET IS TEN COMPANIES RESPONSIBLE FOR 40% OF THE S&P.

THEY'RE NOT ONLY ENABLING THIS PRESIDENT OR SOMETIMES PROVIDING INFRASTRUCTURE FOR I.C.E., THEY'RE ESPECIALLY SUSCEPTIBLE.

IF YOU WERE TO SEND A MESSAGE BY NOT SHOPPING FOR GROCERIES FROM KROGER, FIVE FAMILIES FOR A YEAR FOR THE SAME IMPACT AS CANCELLING ONE CHATGPT SUBSCRIPTION.

I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT A WAY TO IMPACT AND SEND A MESSAGE TO THESE CORPORATE LEADERS WHO THE PRESIDENT LISTENS TO AND THE PRESIDENT WITH MINIMAL DISRUPTION TO CONSUMERS' LIVES.

FREE GIFT WITH PURCHASE IS YOU GO ON, YOU WILL FIND OUT YOU HAVE FOUR AT&T ACCOUNTS, ONE FOR A BLACKBERRY YOU HAVEN'T USED IN YEARS.

YOU WILL FIND TWO APPLE TV PLUS ACCOUNTS AND OTHER THINGS YOU HAVEN'T CANCELED.

HIGH IMPACT WAY TO SEND A MESSAGE AND MIGHT SAVE MONEY ON THE WAY.

>> YOU TARGET TWO, GROUND ZERO AND BLAST ZONE.

YOU SAY THOSE BUSINESSES DON'T REPRESENT THE TOTALITY OF COMPLICIT BUT THE JUGULAR OF AMERICAN IMPERIALISM.

>> WHAT I CALLED GROUND ZERO IS BIG TECH COMPANIES THAT TRADE FOR BILLIONS OF DOLLARS OF MARKET VALUATION, WHO HE AROUND THE TABLE AND IS OBSESSED WITH.

MIGHT BE LINED UP FOR GOVERNMENT BACKED DEBT FINANCING OF DATA CENTERS OR CHIP FACILITIES.

BIG TECH PLATFORMS -- APPLE, ALPHABET, AMAZON, META.

THEN THE BLAST ZONE IS COMPANIES THAT HAVE MUCH LOWER MARKET CAPS BUT ARE DIRECTLY ENABLING I.C.E.

AT&T, HILTON -- THERE'S A VARIETY OF COMPANIES SPECIFICALLY AND DIRECTLY AIDING I.C.E.

'S EFFORTS.

BUT I WANT TO BE CLEAR, I'M NOT -- AS A GUY WITH ECONOMIC SECURITY, I DON'T FEEL IT'S MY RIGHT TO BE ARBITER TO SAY WHO SUBSCRIBES TO WHAT, I'M JUST TRYING TO MAKE IT EASY.

YOU MIGHT JUST PAUSE AND RESUBSCRIBE IN MARCH OR DECIDE YOU DON'T NEED THIS STUFF AND WANT TO CONTINUE SENDING A MESSAGE.

I WANT TO SEND A SIGNAL TO CONSUMERS OF A WEAPON HIDING IN PLAIN SIGHT.

IF THEY WANT TO FEEL THEY'RE DOING SOMETHING, THAT WEAPON IS THE MOST RADICAL ACT IN A CAPITALISM SOCIETY -- NONPARTICIPATION.

ALL OF US COULD PROBABLY AFFORD TO SPEND A LITTLE BIT LESS.

SIMILAR TO DRY JANUARY WHERE PEOPLE RECALIBRATE ALCOHOL INTAKE AFTER A MONTH.

THIS IS A CHANCE TO RECALIBRATE THE AUTOMATIC RENEWAL SUBSCRIPTIONS.

>> WHAT CHANGED?

>> WHEN I SAW SECRETARY NOEM DESCRIBE ALEX PRETTI, AN ICU NURSE SERVING VETERANS, A DOMESTIC TERRORIST, CLAIMING HE WAS BRANDISHING A WEAPON TO KILL FEDERAL AGENTS, I WAS SO RATTLED, THIS ATTACK ON THE DEAD AND ORWELLIAN CALL TO IGNORE OUR EYES AND EARS, I DECIDED TO DO MORE THAN HECTOR FROM THE CHEAP SEATS.

ONE OF THE REASONS I'VE BEEN ABLE TO DO THIS, WHEN I WAS YOUNGER, I STARTED A LOT OF BUSINESSES, APPLIED FOR JOBS I WASN'T QUALIFIED FOR.

AS I'M GETTING OLDER, I'M WORRIED I'M GETTING COMFORTABLE WITH HECTORING AND COMPLAINING, NOT ACTING.

I WANTED TO DO SOMETHING.

LIKE DAN HARRIS SAYS, ACTION ABSORBS ANXIETY, IT FEELS REALLY GOOD TO ACTUALLY BE TRYING TO DO SOMETHING.

>> I WONDER IF THIS KIND OF PROTEST WORKS, IF IT'S LONG ENOUGH.

AS YOU DESCRIBED, ENORMOUS COMPANIES.

CAN'T THEY RIDE IT OUT, WILL THEY NOTICE IF SAY TENS OF THOUSANDS UNSUBSCRIBE?

THEY HAVE MILLIONS OF CUSTOMERS.

>> 100%.

DEATH BY 1,000 CUTS, IF THERE'S ENOUGH, YOU HAVE AN IMPACT.

I'M ANALYTICAL, WE'RE GETTING 1,600,000 VISITORS TO THE SITE, RESISTANDUNSUB.COM.

I'VE GOT SCREEN ANALYTICS AND SCREENSHOTS TO FREE CHATGPT AND ASKED IT TO ESTIMATE UNSUBS.

IT'S SAYING 100,000 TO 200,000 UNSUBS.

I THINK THAT'S 150 TO 200 MILLION IN MARKET CAP.

MY GOAL IS A BILLION.

THAT IS NOT ENOUGH.

WHAT I'M FINDING, I'VE HEARD FROM 20% OF THE CEOs, AND THE WAY IT'S DESCRIBED TO ME, THE PROJECT MANAGEMENT TEAMS AND MIDDLE MANAGEMENT IS TALKING ABOUT IT, BUT IT'S NOT AT THE BOARD LEVEL YET.

I FEEL THIS IS JUST ANOTHER ACTION IN ADDITION TO PROTESTS, TO GETTING PEOPLE TO REGISTER TO VOTE, TO MEDIA COVERAGE, AND WHAT THE GREAT PEOPLE OF MINNEAPOLIS ARE DOING.

I WANT TO BE A SMALL HAIR IN THE HORSE'S TAIL THAT PEOPLE NOTICE.

BUT YOU'RE RIGHT, I'M NOT, SO FAR TO BE HONEST, THE ADMINISTRATION HASN'T BACKED DOWN AND THE COMPANIES, I'M NOT SURE HAVE NOTICED.

BUT I DON'T THINK THAT'S A REASON TO STOP.

EVERY EFFORT COUNTS FOR SOMETHING.

>> WHEN YOU HEAR FROM CEOs AND COMPANIES, A LOT OF THEM WILL TELL YOU LOOK, NOTHING WE'RE DOING IS ILLEGAL AND SOME MIGHT USE THE RATIONALE MY RESPONSIBILITY IS TO THE SHAREHOLDERS OF THE COMPANY AND THE PENSION FUNDS AND EVERYBODY ELSE.

AND IT'S A SLIPPERY SLOPE TO BACK AWAY FROM THIS ADMINISTRATION OR THE NEXT.

HOW TO KEEP TRACK.

WHAT IS YOUR RESPONSE?

>> I TRY TO TELL THEM HISTORY IS BLUNT AND CLEAR AROUND THIS.

I'M REMISS TO COMPARE THIS ADMINISTRATION TO THE THIRD REICH, I THINK THAT'S UNFAIR.

BUT I THINK WE CAN DRAW ANALOGIES FROM LATE STAGE WEIMAR REPUBLIC.

THERE WAS A LOSS, ECONOMIC LOSS TO MIDDLE AGED MEN, AND CAPTAINS OF INDUSTRY MADE A DEAL WITH FASCISTS, INCLUDING HITLER, IF YOU CRUSH THE UNIONS WE'LL IGNORE THE SLOW BURN TOWARDS FASCISM BECAUSE YOU'RE GOING TO MAKE US RICHER.

WHAT I HEAR FROM CEOs PRIVATELY, THEY'RE VERY UPSET ABOUT WHAT IS GOING ON BUT AFRAID TO GO FIRST TO BE SMACKED DOWN.

A GOOD AUTOCRAT PUNISHES WHOEVER GOES FIRST.

I'M TRYING TO ENCOURAGE THEM TO TAKE COLLECTIVE ACTION.

I SAY TO THEM, WHAT IS THE POINT OF HAVING ALL THIS MONEY AND BUILD THIS AMAZING COMPANY IF YOU DON'T HAVE FIDELITY TO INTEGRITY, BASIC RIGHTS.

LOT OF THEM ARE IMMIGRANTS THEMSELVES.

WHAT DO YOU WANT TO BE REMEMBERED FOR?

STOP USING THE TERM STAKEHOLDERS, USE SHAREHOLDERS.

FEELS LIKE YOU'RE IGNORING STAKEHOLDERS LIKE THE U.S., IMMIGRANTS, THE CONSTITUTION.

BUT I HAVE EMPATHY FOR THE FACT UNLESS IT'S COLLECTIVE ACTION, IT'S VERY DIFFICULT FOR ANY ONE FIRM TO GO FIRST.

BUT I'M SHOCKED AND DISAPPOINTED MORE INDIVIDUALS HAVE NOT SPOKEN OUT.

THEY'RE SPEAKING OUT PRIVATELY TO EACH OTHER BUT DON'T WANT TO SPEAK OUT PUBLICLY.

AGAIN, I GO BACK TO THE NOTION, HOW DO YOU WANT TO BE REMEMBERED?

WHAT IS THE POINT OF HAVING ALL THIS MONEY IF YOU CAN'T AT LEAST NOD TO SOME OF THE PRINCIPLES THAT HAVE GIVEN YOU SO MUCH WEALTH AND HELPED YOU BUILD SUCH AN AMAZING COMPANY?

>> I WONDER IF WE'VE SEEN EXAMPLES OF PROTESTS THAT WORK AND PROTESTS THAT WORK.

THERE WERE CALLS FOR PEOPLE TO BOYCOTT TESLA WHILE ELON MUSK WAS TAKING A CHAINSAW THROUGH DIFFERENT GOVERNMENT AGENCIES.

A SIGNIFICANT RESPONSE TO DISNEY WHEN JIMMY KIMMEL WAS CANCELED FOR A FEW DAYS.

IS IT THE ACTUAL PROTEST, OR THE VISIBILITY, YOU AND I TALKING ABOUT IT THAT MAKES THE DIFFERENCE?

>> GREAT QUESTION.

I'VE DONE A DEEP DIVE.

FIRST OFF, MAJORITY OF ECONOMIC PROTESTS DON'T WORK, THEY COME AND GO, NO IMPACT, LIKE A TREE FALLING IN THE FOREST.

RECENTLY, DISNEY AND JIMMY KIMMEL.

WHEN DISNEY DECIDED TO PUT HIM BACK ON THE AIR, UNSUBSCRIPTIONS WAS DECLINING, IT WAS MEDIA COVERAGE AND IMPACT TO THE BRAND.

THE STRIKE POINTED TO AS SUCCESSFUL STRIKE, MOST THINK OF IT WAS A BRAVE WOMAN REFUSING TO GIVE UP HER SEAT.

IT WAS ACTUALLY A 12-MONTH SUSTAINED BOYCOTT THAT DR.

KING ORGANIZED CARPOOLS AND OVER THE COURSE OF A YEAR, MUNICIPAL TRANSPORTATION AUTHORITY WAS LOSING MORE THAN A MILLION A MONTH AND THEN THEY DESEGREGATED THE BUSSES.

I'M CALLING THE STRIKE FOR MONTH OF FEBRUARY AND MAY LEAVE THE SITE UP, IF I GET MOMENTUM, MAYBE WE CONTINUE IT.

BUT THE ECONOMIC STRIKES THAT WORK ARE CUMULATIVE, BUILD OVER TIME, AND MORE ABOUT NOT ONLY MEDIA COVERAGE BUT TRADITIONAL MEDIA COVERAGE.

>> RIGHT NOW IT SEEMS IT'S REALLY HARD FOR THE AVERAGE AMERICAN FAMILY TO EXTRICATE THEMSELVES FROM THE COMPANIES.

83% OF U.S.

HOUSEHOLDS ARE SHOPPING WITH AMAZON, 40% OF ALL U.S.

E-COMMERCE IN THE COUNTRY.

WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE PLATFORM OF AMAZON, THOUSANDS OF SMALL RETAILERS WHO REALLY NEED AMAZON TO SURVIVE, THIS SEEMS SO INEXTRICABLY LINKED.

WE DON'T HAVE A FAIR MARKETPLACE TO SAY I'M NOT GOING TO USE AMAZON BUT THIS ONE THAT'S JUST AS GOOD.

>> YOU'RE EXACTLY RIGHT.

WHEN INDUSTRIES ARE ALLOWED TO CONSOLIDATE TO THE POINT IT'S OLIGOPOLIES AND NONMONOPOLIES, THEY CAN CREATE A LACK OF OPTIONS.

ONE OF MY HOMES IN AMERICA, I DON'T LIKE COAL FIRE PLANTS BUT STILL GOING TO TURN ON THE LIGHTS.

THAT'S ALL THAT IS OFFERED.

WHEN SMALL TECH FORMS CONTROL THE MEDIA, COMMERCE AND SEARCH, IT'S INCREASINGLY DIFFICULT TO UNSUBSCRIBE.

FORTUNATELY I THINK PEOPLE WILL FIND THEY HAVE DUPLICATES OF AND CAN GO FROM ONE TO -- I WAS TAKING 350 UBERS A YEAR.

BECAUSE THEY'RE CONSOLIDATED THE RIDE HAILING, THEY'VE RAISED PRICES SO MUCH I'M PAYING DOUBLE WHAT I WAS PAYING SEVEN YEARS AGO.

SO I'M GOING TO TAKE THE TUBE AND SUBWAY MORE.

BUT THE CONSOLIDATION OF INDUSTRY ACROSS PHARMA AND CHICKEN CREATES A LACK OF OPTIONS.

BIG DISCUSSION AROUND POLITICS HAS BEEN AROUND AFFORDABILITY.

THERE'S NO SILVER BULLET.

IT MEANS IN MY VIEW, FREE TRADE, THIS TARIFF NONSENSE IS NONSENSE, BUT ALSO A BREAKUP IN ANTITRUST.

WE NEED A TRUST BUSTER TO ENSURE THERE ARE CHOICES WHICH ULTIMATELY CREATE A RETRANSFER BACK OF ITAL AND POWER BACK TO SHAREHOLDERS AND CONSUMERS.

BUT IT'S SO HARD TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM AMAZON BECAUSE THERE'S A LACK OF OPTIONS.

CONCENTRATION OF INDUSTRY, MONOPOLY POWER, IT GOES ACROSS A VARIETY OF DIMENSIONS.

>> HAS SOMETHING CHANGED IN THE DNA OF WHO WE ARE AS A COUNTRY?

FAMOUSLY FROM BOSTON TEA PARTY ON, OUR FOUNDING WAS REALLY OUT OF PROTEST.

WHILE WE DO SEE PEOPLE STANDING IN SUBZERO WEATHER IN MINNEAPOLIS, AND IN LOS ANGELES AND PORTLAND WHEN I.C.E.

COMES TO TOWN, THE REST OF THE COUNTRY SEEMS TO BE WATCHING.

>> I THINK WE DO SUFFER FROM AN IDOLATRY OF INNOVATORS AND THE DOLLAR.

OUR HEROES ARE NOW BILLIONAIRES AND CAPTAINS OF INDUSTRY, AS OPPOSED TO ELECTED OFFICIALS, ATHLETES, OR PEOPLE WHO LEAD CIVIL RIGHTS ACTIONS.

THERE IS SORT OF AN OBSESSION OR IDOLATRY OF THE DOLLAR.

BUT I'M HOPEFUL.

IT'S EASY TO BECOME BEREFT AND THINK THE NATION HAS NEVER FACED PROBLEMS LIKE THIS.

1% OF THE POPULATION WHO OWNED SLAVES CONTROLLED THE COUNTRY.

WE WERE INTERNING JAPANESE AMERICANS AND PUT THEM BEHIND BARBED WIRE.

WE'VE FACED TESTS OF OUR DEMOCRACY BEFORE AND EACH TIME IT'S COME BACK STRONGER AND HEALTHIER.

I LIKE TO THINK THIS IS ONE OF THOSE MOMENTS WHERE MAYBE WE'RE RECOGNIZING THE RULE OF LAW, COMPETITIVE MARKETS, RESPECT FOR IMMIGRANTS, THAT WE SHOULDN'T BE SENDING PEOPLE TO BLACK SITES OUTSIDE OF THEIR COUNTRY WITH NO RIGHTS, CONCENTRATION CAMPS.

WE SHOULD NOT HAVE FEDERAL OFFICIALS WHO WEAR MASKS.

I LIKE TO THINK THIS IS HELPING A LOT OF US UNDERSTAND THAT A LOT OF THE WONDERFUL THINGS ABOUT AMERICA HAVE BEEN TAKEN FOR GRANTED, AND THEY REQUIRE A CONTINUED INVESTMENT.

I SEE THIS IN THE PROTESTS, PEOPLE BEING ACTIVATED.

PEOPLE COMMITTED TO MAKING AMERICA AMERICA AGAIN.

I AM HOPEFUL THIS HAS BEEN A WAKE-UP CALL.

>> SCOTT GALLOWAY, PROFESSOR, PODCASTER, ACTIVIST, THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

>> IT WAS GOOD TO SEE YOU.

>>> FINALLY AN ACT OF REMEMBRANCE AT THE OLYMPICS.

UKRAINIAN ATHLETE SUPPORTING A HELMET SHOWING IMAGES OF UKRAINIAN ATHLETES KILLED IN THE WAR.

THE OLYMPIC COMMITTEE SAYS THEY FEEL HIS GRIEF BUT IT GOES AGAINST GUIDELINES.

HE TOLD AMANDA DAVIS HE WOULD DEFY THE RULES.

>> I WILL WEAR IT RACE DAY.

THESE PEOPLE SACRIFICED THEIR LIVES.

BECAUSE OF THAT I'M ABLE TO BE HERE TODAY, TO BE AT THE OLYMPICS.

I WILL NOT BETRAY THEM.

>> RACE DAY IS TOMORROW, WHEN THE SKELETON COMPETITION OFFICIALLY BEGINS.

THAT IS IT FOR OUR TRAM TONIGHT.

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